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Date: 24 Aug 2007 17:42:08
From: the phelper
Subject: Lager never finished...
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I brewed a Classic American Pilsner about 4 weeks ago. The yeast was
WLP800, Pilsner yeast. The OG was about 1045 to 1048, and after two
weeks at 50-55 it finished out at about 1022. I'm not sure what to
do. Two weeks later (4 weeks from brewday), it's still at about 1022.
I do have a starter finished out with more WLP800, was thinking of
using it (pitch more yeast) but wanted some expert advise first.
Thanks.
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 07:37:58
From: the phelper
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:42:08 -0500, the phelper
<hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com > wrote:
>I brewed a Classic American Pilsner about 4 weeks ago. The yeast was
>WLP800, Pilsner yeast. The OG was about 1045 to 1048, and after two
>weeks at 50-55 it finished out at about 1022. I'm not sure what to
>do. Two weeks later (4 weeks from brewday), it's still at about 1022.
>
>I do have a starter finished out with more WLP800, was thinking of
>using it (pitch more yeast) but wanted some expert advise first.
>
>Thanks.
Ok... Part 2 to this problem.
What if... I overshot my OG of 1044-1048 and ended up at about 1064?
I was checking out beertools, and I had put in 1064 and it shows
somethingn like 67% efficiency. I was really aiming for about 60%
(I've had some problems with efficiency, I'm working on them). But if
that number I put in beertools is accurate, I may have wayyyy overshot
my OG.
I think this was the first batch I did with my neighbours new grain
mill. Wouldn't be surprised if that helped the efficiency. Before he
got his mill, I was adding to the grain bill to compensate for the
poor efficiency.
Should I still get a couple packets of dry yeast to dump on in there?
Does this change things? This beer may not be to style, but hopefully
will be something decent.
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 22:54:19
From: Scott Sellers
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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the phelper <hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com >:
>I brewed a Classic American Pilsner about 4 weeks ago. The
>yeast was WLP800, Pilsner yeast. The OG was about 1045 to 1048,
>and after two weeks at 50-55 it finished out at about 1022. I'm
>not sure what to do. Two weeks later (4 weeks from brewday),
>it's still at about 1022.
>I do have a starter finished out with more WLP800, was thinking of
>using it (pitch more yeast) but wanted some expert advise first.
Not an expert, especially with lagers. For an ale, I'd recommend
pitching a dry yeast packet over a starter -- less chance of
wasting a good starter. I say waste because my success rate of
getting stuck ferments to restart is 0%.
If you're trying to maintain a certain character in the lager, it
might be better to stay with the WLP800.
If you post your grainbill or can tell you malt extract brand it
might give a clue to the low attenuation.
cheers,
Scott S
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Scott Sellers
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 19:05:05
From: the phelper
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), Scott Sellers
<scottsellers@mindspring.com > wrote:
>the phelper <hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com>:
>>I brewed a Classic American Pilsner about 4 weeks ago. The
>>yeast was WLP800, Pilsner yeast. The OG was about 1045 to 1048,
>>and after two weeks at 50-55 it finished out at about 1022. I'm
>>not sure what to do. Two weeks later (4 weeks from brewday),
>>it's still at about 1022.
>
>>I do have a starter finished out with more WLP800, was thinking of
>>using it (pitch more yeast) but wanted some expert advise first.
>
>Not an expert, especially with lagers. For an ale, I'd recommend
>pitching a dry yeast packet over a starter -- less chance of
>wasting a good starter. I say waste because my success rate of
>getting stuck ferments to restart is 0%.
>
>If you're trying to maintain a certain character in the lager, it
>might be better to stay with the WLP800.
>
>If you post your grainbill or can tell you malt extract brand it
>might give a clue to the low attenuation.
>
>cheers,
>Scott S
The grain bill is heavy, and as follows... It's a Jamil Zainasheff
recipe I was trying to duplicate, with adjustments for my bad
efficiency.
11 Gal Yield, 21lbs of Pilsner Malt, 8lbs of Flaked Corn.
This was my first lager.
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 02:40:33
From: John Bleichert
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On 2007-08-25, the phelper <hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), Scott Sellers
><scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote:
<snip >
> The grain bill is heavy, and as follows... It's a Jamil Zainasheff
> recipe I was trying to duplicate, with adjustments for my bad
> efficiency.
>
> 11 Gal Yield, 21lbs of Pilsner Malt, 8lbs of Flaked Corn.
>
> This was my first lager.
What was your mash temp? If your mash temp was lower (148-150) I would
think this would finish very dry. No kilned malts to raise the final
gravity...
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 07:34:14
From: the phelper
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:40:33 -0000, John Bleichert
<syborg@earthlink.net > wrote:
>On 2007-08-25, the phelper <hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), Scott Sellers
>><scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote:
><snip>
>> The grain bill is heavy, and as follows... It's a Jamil Zainasheff
>> recipe I was trying to duplicate, with adjustments for my bad
>> efficiency.
>>
>> 11 Gal Yield, 21lbs of Pilsner Malt, 8lbs of Flaked Corn.
>>
>> This was my first lager.
>
>What was your mash temp? If your mash temp was lower (148-150) I would
>think this would finish very dry. No kilned malts to raise the final
>gravity...
I actually did mash at 148 to 150.
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 20:52:34
From: the phelper
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:05:05 -0500, the phelper
<hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC), Scott Sellers
><scottsellers@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>the phelper <hoofhah2002@dontspamme.yahoo.com>:
>>>I brewed a Classic American Pilsner about 4 weeks ago. The
>>>yeast was WLP800, Pilsner yeast. The OG was about 1045 to 1048,
>>>and after two weeks at 50-55 it finished out at about 1022. I'm
>>>not sure what to do. Two weeks later (4 weeks from brewday),
>>>it's still at about 1022.
>>
>>>I do have a starter finished out with more WLP800, was thinking of
>>>using it (pitch more yeast) but wanted some expert advise first.
>>
>>Not an expert, especially with lagers. For an ale, I'd recommend
>>pitching a dry yeast packet over a starter -- less chance of
>>wasting a good starter. I say waste because my success rate of
>>getting stuck ferments to restart is 0%.
>>
>>If you're trying to maintain a certain character in the lager, it
>>might be better to stay with the WLP800.
>>
>>If you post your grainbill or can tell you malt extract brand it
>>might give a clue to the low attenuation.
>>
>>cheers,
>>Scott S
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>The grain bill is heavy, and as follows... It's a Jamil Zainasheff
>recipe I was trying to duplicate, with adjustments for my bad
>efficiency.
>
>11 Gal Yield, 21lbs of Pilsner Malt, 8lbs of Flaked Corn.
>
>This was my first lager.
I forgot to mention, the starter is already ready... I made a beer two
weeks ago, with some 1030 runoffs from the mash tun, made a starter
out of it...
But I wouldn't mind using a good dry yeast instead... any
reccomendations?
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 21:10:10
From: The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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You could try 4 packets of US05 -- be sure to ferment cool. 62 or lower
is generally good for this yeast.
How large was your starter?
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Date: 25 Aug 2007 07:33:28
From: the phelper
Subject: Re: Lager never finished...
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:10:10 -0500, The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n
Salty <mikey666@666swampgas.666com > wrote:
>You could try 4 packets of US05 -- be sure to ferment cool. 62 or lower
>is generally good for this yeast.
>
>How large was your starter?
My starter was probably 3/4 of a gallon. It was before I got my
5000ml flask, so I didn't have real accurate measuerments.
It's fermenting... or rather resting... at 50-55 now, so I'll get some
US05 (I assume 2 packets per carboy?) and see where that goes.
Thanks.
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