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Date: 15 Sep 2007 10:01:47
From: Tennessee Tom
Subject: Hops and Metallic Notes
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I've heard that hops can contribute to metallic notes in beer. If you
agree, is it through hop type or usage?
TIA,
Tom
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 11:35:34
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Hops and Metallic Notes
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Tennessee Tom wrote:
> I've heard that hops can contribute to metallic notes in beer. If you
> agree, is it through hop type or usage?
I agree, but it is not so much that hops add any iron to the beer, it's
hop flavor and aroma can come off as metallic or tinny in conjunction
with other attributes.
Some commercial beers that I found in my notes to have metallic hop
presence were:
Brooklyn Winter Ale 2006 had a strong metallic hop flavor which lasted
into the aftertaste.
Allgäuer Urbairisch Dunkel was metallic in the flavor as well.
Eggenberg Fest Bock was another.
Baltimore-Washington Beer Works The Raven
RCH Pitchfork
Ettaler Kloster Dunkel
Theillier La Bavaisienne
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 09:05:08
From: Denny Conn
Subject: Re: Hops and Metallic Notes
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MDixon wrote:
> I agree, but it is not so much that hops add any iron to the beer, it's
> hop flavor and aroma can come off as metallic or tinny in conjunction
> with other attributes.
>
> Some commercial beers that I found in my notes to have metallic hop
> presence were:
> Brooklyn Winter Ale 2006 had a strong metallic hop flavor which lasted
> into the aftertaste.
> Allgäuer Urbairisch Dunkel was metallic in the flavor as well.
> Eggenberg Fest Bock was another.
> Baltimore-Washington Beer Works The Raven
> RCH Pitchfork
> Ettaler Kloster Dunkel
> Theillier La Bavaisienne
How did you relate the metallic taste to hops? Can't say that I've ever
run across that...
---------- >Denny
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Life begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 07:15:21
From: Adam Preble
Subject: Re: Hops and Metallic Notes
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Denny Conn <denny.g.conn@ci.eugene.or.us > wrote in news:46EC02B4.9C9BD1E7
@ci.eugene.or.us:
> How did you relate the metallic taste to hops? Can't say that I've ever
> run across that...
>
> ---------->Denny
I pondered this on the group before, and decided that younger beer can
bring this out. Say, the first few sips can do it, but it goes away. I
had worried it may come from everything else before I settled on the hops.
Whatever it is, it ages out of all my beer with time whenever I find it.
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 12:56:10
From: MDixon
Subject: Re: Hops and Metallic Notes
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Denny Conn wrote:
> MDixon wrote:
>
>> I agree, but it is not so much that hops add any iron to the beer, it's
>> hop flavor and aroma can come off as metallic or tinny in conjunction
>> with other attributes.
>>
>> Some commercial beers that I found in my notes to have metallic hop
>> presence were:
>> Brooklyn Winter Ale 2006 had a strong metallic hop flavor which lasted
>> into the aftertaste.
>> Allgäuer Urbairisch Dunkel was metallic in the flavor as well.
>> Eggenberg Fest Bock was another.
>> Baltimore-Washington Beer Works The Raven
>> RCH Pitchfork
>> Ettaler Kloster Dunkel
>> Theillier La Bavaisienne
>
> How did you relate the metallic taste to hops? Can't say that I've ever
> run across that...
>
The flavor (usually not aroma) comes through at the same time as hop
flavor and bittering. From the list above it appears to be a UK variant
more than standard US hop varieties. The list of beers exhibiting that
characteristic is not too long either. I went through a few screens of
notes and the above was all the search located in the first few hundred
beers I had notes on. I just performed a more exhaustive search of the
1600 reviews I have on this computer and found 52 in which I mentioned
metallic, but many of those I was not able to attribute to hops. On most
of the ones where I noted metallic that I attributed to hops I didn't
find it to be a bad attribute, simply one to note. YMMV
Here's a few more I noticed:
Sly Fox Odyssey
Saranac High Peaks Imperial IPA (not quite sure from my notes if I
pointed to hops as the metallic source)
Auerhahn-Bräu Bütten Alt
Rogue Hop Heaven 2005
Moosbacher Lager
Moosbacher Weissbier
Avery Eleven
So what is that, like 15 out of 1600. Of course someone else might
perceive it differently that I do, but to me the flavor was attributable
to the hops.
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 23:14:26
From:
Subject: Re: Hops and Metallic Notes
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I just made 5 gallons of pale ale, with 2 oz of Columbia hops at about 14%.
The first pull off the keg did have a metallic taste, but that's starting to
mellow out now...
"MDixon" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:5l2h4sF62m2gU1@mid.individual.net...
> Denny Conn wrote:
>> MDixon wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, but it is not so much that hops add any iron to the beer, it's
>>> hop flavor and aroma can come off as metallic or tinny in conjunction
>>> with other attributes.
>>>
>>> Some commercial beers that I found in my notes to have metallic hop
>>> presence were:
>>> Brooklyn Winter Ale 2006 had a strong metallic hop flavor which lasted
>>> into the aftertaste.
>>> Allgäuer Urbairisch Dunkel was metallic in the flavor as well.
>>> Eggenberg Fest Bock was another.
>>> Baltimore-Washington Beer Works The Raven
>>> RCH Pitchfork
>>> Ettaler Kloster Dunkel
>>> Theillier La Bavaisienne
>>
>> How did you relate the metallic taste to hops? Can't say that I've ever
>> run across that...
>>
>
> The flavor (usually not aroma) comes through at the same time as hop
> flavor and bittering. From the list above it appears to be a UK variant
> more than standard US hop varieties. The list of beers exhibiting that
> characteristic is not too long either. I went through a few screens of
> notes and the above was all the search located in the first few hundred
> beers I had notes on. I just performed a more exhaustive search of the
> 1600 reviews I have on this computer and found 52 in which I mentioned
> metallic, but many of those I was not able to attribute to hops. On most
> of the ones where I noted metallic that I attributed to hops I didn't find
> it to be a bad attribute, simply one to note. YMMV
>
> Here's a few more I noticed:
> Sly Fox Odyssey
> Saranac High Peaks Imperial IPA (not quite sure from my notes if I pointed
> to hops as the metallic source)
> Auerhahn-Bräu Bütten Alt
> Rogue Hop Heaven 2005
> Moosbacher Lager
> Moosbacher Weissbier
> Avery Eleven
>
> So what is that, like 15 out of 1600. Of course someone else might
> perceive it differently that I do, but to me the flavor was attributable
> to the hops.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
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