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Date: 28 Aug 2007 03:49:25
From: jj
Subject: Fining after Primary
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Hello All,
A friend of mine and I are brewing an ESB. However, we both forgot to
put in the Irish Moss prior to the end of boil. No fining was used.
primary fermentation is now complete, and I want to clear this up.
I have been told that gelatin can be used, and the process was
described (I should have taken notes) as pretty complicated. The beer
has to be cold, and the gelatin has to be dissolved in hot (159) water
and mixed with the cold beer. However with cornies, and carboys, I
don't know how to do this effectively.
Could some one post a response that has a definitive step by step
process for using gelatin to clear beer that has already fermented?
I would appreciate any positive feedback.
Thanks!
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 23:02:05
From: Scott P
Subject: Re: Fining after Primary
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John,
I do not think one would want to use polyclar for bottle
conditioning. Polyclar is "typically" added after primary
fermentation. When I've added it to a keg (because I forgot to add it
earlier), I've always poured off the sediment layer with the first
mugs of beer - wasting the beer and sediment. If you are really
concerned about packing in a tight yeast cake, consider fining your
beer with polyclar (or other fining agents in the primary and
secondary), then adding a highly flocculent yeast when you prime and
bottle; a suitable neutral-flavored and flocculent strain is White
Lab's California Ale.
Cheers!
Scott P.
Brewing in Star, Idaho
> Scott, I read the description of it at B3, and it states the agent
> also removes yeast. Would this limit its use to kegging, where brews
> are forced-carbed? I'd be concerned it may remove so much yeast that
> bottle conditioning would be difficult. ?????
>
> John S. in Rochester, NY
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 13:25:18
From: Scott P
Subject: Re: Fining after Primary
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I'm a big fan of using polyclar as a fining agent, having successfully
used it for secondary fermentation and even once in a finished keg.
Polyclar is essentially a food-grade plastic powder (PVPP plastic)
that is negatively charged. It attracts postively charged particles,
like tanins, that cause chill haze. I mix a half-teaspoon of it with
clean and cold water and dump it in the beer. It works fairly
quickly.
Good luck!
Scott P
Brewing in Star, Idaho
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 17:29:53
From: JS
Subject: Re: Fining after Primary
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:18 -0700, Scott P
<scottphillips1@hotmail.com > wrote:
>I'm a big fan of using polyclar as a fining agent, having successfully
>used it for secondary fermentation and even once in a finished keg.
>Polyclar is essentially a food-grade plastic powder (PVPP plastic)
>that is negatively charged. It attracts postively charged particles,
>like tanins, that cause chill haze. I mix a half-teaspoon of it with
>clean and cold water and dump it in the beer. It works fairly
>quickly.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Scott P
>Brewing in Star, Idaho
>
Scott, I read the description of it at B3, and it states the agent
also removes yeast. Would this limit its use to kegging, where brews
are forced-carbed? I'd be concerned it may remove so much yeast that
bottle conditioning would be difficult. ?????
John S. in Rochester, NY
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 15:05:13
From: beerboyfeelgood
Subject: Re: Fining after Primary
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"jj" <Graz05@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1188272965.801052.106150@r23g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Hello All,
>
> A friend of mine and I are brewing an ESB. However, we both forgot to
> put in the Irish Moss prior to the end of boil. No fining was used.
> primary fermentation is now complete, and I want to clear this up.
>
> I have been told that gelatin can be used, and the process was
> described (I should have taken notes) as pretty complicated. The beer
> has to be cold, and the gelatin has to be dissolved in hot (159) water
> and mixed with the cold beer. However with cornies, and carboys, I
> don't know how to do this effectively.
>
> Could some one post a response that has a definitive step by step
> process for using gelatin to clear beer that has already fermented?
>
> I would appreciate any positive feedback.
>
> Thanks!
I've used gelatin many times. All you have to do is dissolve the gelatin in
hot water (it is easier to dissolve, plus you are boiling the water which
you will be adding to your fermenting beer). I usually add mine to the
secondary fermenter. It works really well and everything just falls out of
suspension leaving you with very clear beer. I usually use 1/2 teaspoon to
1/4 - 1/2 cup of water. Just rack your beer off the sediment like you
normally would.
kev
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 04:26:18
From: Steve/Aus
Subject: Re: Fining after Primary
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"jj" <Graz05@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1188272965.801052.106150@r23g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Hello All,
>
> A friend of mine.....
> I have been told that gelatin can be used, and the process was
> described (I should have taken notes) as pretty complicated. The beer
> has to be cold, and the gelatin has to be dissolved in hot (159) water
> and mixed with the cold beer.
It's not complicated. You're dead right, dissolve the gelatine and mix it in
the beer.
If you can hold your beer at about -2C, just below freezing, in the keg, you
will probably find it will clear up without fining. The alcohol will prevent
frezzing so will the pressure. The more pressure, the lower you can go with
the temperature. YMMV.
Steve W (in Aus)
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