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Date: 27 Aug 2007 10:26:10
From: Robert Bainbridge
Subject: Diabetes and beer brewing
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There have been some threads over the years about diabetes and beer brewing.
A recent column in Diabetes Forecast (monthly magazine) has some interesting
information. I would suggest that the information be included in the FAQ
related to this topic.
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A Diabetes Forecast letter writer wrote in.
"My husband received some information in the mail, and there is a section
that disturbs me. The material states that alcohol does not raise blood
glucose, and in fact, it has the opposite effect, causing low blood glucose
in people with diabetes. What is even more surprising is that the glucose
lowering effects may be delayed for more than 8 hours after drinking and it
quotes Sheldon H. Gotlieb MD, FACC, a cardiologist at John Hopkins. Mr.
Gottlieb told readers that alcohol is not a carbohydrate. Is that true? ."
Sheldon H. Gottlieb, MD, FACC responded:
Thank you for your very interesting letter. You have raised a question that
many patients and families ask: How does beer drinking affect diabetes
control?
This has been investigated by reputable research groups for many years.
Alcohol is certainly not a carbohydrate; it is a hydrocarbon. These are two
very different types of chemicals. Alcohol is more closely related to
candle wax or gasoline than to sugar. Drinking 1 or 2 ounces of alcohol
(one or two standard cans of beer) does not cause blood glucose to change
very much; it may even lower blood glucose levels. Alcohol and beer do,
however, have calories, about 150 calories per glass.
Drinking about 22 beers will cause you to gain 1 pound of fat, despite the
aerobic exercise from having to frequently to up for 'relief'. The 'beer
gut' is real, and obesity is damaging to diabetes control and to overall
health.
I tell my patients that "beers are like ears (I tug on my two ears): One's
not enough, but three are too many."
Many studies have shown health risks, such as high blood pressure and
obesity, which begin to increase when a person consumes three beers a day,
and these health risks increase greatly at six beers per day.
I hope that this has been helpful.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 12:16:28
From:
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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On Aug 27, 8:26 am, "Robert Bainbridge" <rbainbri...@iyf-inc.com >
wrote:
> ...
> Alcohol and beer do,
> however, have calories, about 150 calories per glass.
>
> Drinking about 22 beers will cause you to gain 1 pound of fat, despite the
> aerobic exercise from having to frequently to up for 'relief'.
Well, only if you don't burn it off.
Twenty two beers (assuming 150 calories x 22 = 3,300 calories).
One pound of body fat has about 3,500 calories.
So you actually need to drink 23 beers (@150 calories each),
but get about the amount of calories equal to 1 pound of body fat.
But you are only going to gain it on you body as body fat,
if you are already eating 2,500 calories (average human needs
about 2,500 calories a day to maintain "life" ... more like 3,000
for the average male, and 2000 for the average female).
So any amount of calories you eat or drink over 2,500 a day
get added as body fat (and if you eat less than 2,500 a day,
your body converts body fat into the calories it needs,
and you loose weight).
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 22:42:41
From: Richard J Kinch
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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Robert Bainbridge writes:
> Drinking about 22 beers will cause you to gain 1 pound of fat,
Dr Sheldon is a moron.
A moderate consumption of 22 beers (over 11 days) will gain 1 lb of body
fat? And thus 33 lbs/year?
Puh-leeze.
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 11:46:20
From: Scott L
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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> Sheldon H. Gottlieb, MD, FACC responded:
>
> This has been investigated by reputable research groups for many years.
> Alcohol is certainly not a carbohydrate; it is a hydrocarbon. These are two
> very different types of chemicals. Alcohol is more closely related to
> candle wax or gasoline than to sugar.
That's a pretty funny load of crap there. Sure, alcohol may not
"officially" be a carbohydrate but it's certainly no "hydrocarbon."
And seeing as sugar is basically a specialized form of alcohol (with
as many hydroxyls as possible), the statement that alcohol is closer
to gasoline than sugar is simply insane.
I make no comment either way on what sort of effect ethanol has on a
diabetic person. I'm sure the MD probably knows what he's talking
about in that regard. But the previous paragraph was hilarious.
Scott
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:00:50
From: Robert Bainbridge
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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Thank you for your editorial regarding the cited expert as being "a load of
crap..."
The initial posting was provided to help those members who are diabetic and
still enjoy the hobby of brewing. The intention was to provide factual
information from reputable medical sources regarding important health data.
Your editorial comment although interesting, lacks the credentials of the
cited medical authority.
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"Scott L" <scott-sp02@neuralnw.com > wrote in message
news:1188326780.604146.6540@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Sheldon H. Gottlieb, MD, FACC responded:
>>
>> This has been investigated by reputable research groups for many years.
>> Alcohol is certainly not a carbohydrate; it is a hydrocarbon. These are
>> two
>> very different types of chemicals. Alcohol is more closely related to
>> candle wax or gasoline than to sugar.
>
> That's a pretty funny load of crap there. Sure, alcohol may not
> "officially" be a carbohydrate but it's certainly no "hydrocarbon."
> And seeing as sugar is basically a specialized form of alcohol (with
> as many hydroxyls as possible), the statement that alcohol is closer
> to gasoline than sugar is simply insane.
>
> I make no comment either way on what sort of effect ethanol has on a
> diabetic person. I'm sure the MD probably knows what he's talking
> about in that regard. But the previous paragraph was hilarious.
>
> Scott
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 11:27:56
From: beerboyfeelgood
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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"Robert Bainbridge" <rbainbridge@iyf-inc.com > wrote in message
news:k82dnai7fpEU40TbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@centurytel.net...
> Thank you for your editorial regarding the cited expert as being "a load
> of crap..."
>
> The initial posting was provided to help those members who are diabetic
> and still enjoy the hobby of brewing. The intention was to provide
> factual information from reputable medical sources regarding important
> health data. Your editorial comment although interesting, lacks the
> credentials of the cited medical authority.
>
> --
>
> "Scott L" <scott-sp02@neuralnw.com> wrote in message
> news:1188326780.604146.6540@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Sheldon H. Gottlieb, MD, FACC responded:
>>>
>>> This has been investigated by reputable research groups for many years.
>>> Alcohol is certainly not a carbohydrate; it is a hydrocarbon. These are
>>> two
>>> very different types of chemicals. Alcohol is more closely related to
>>> candle wax or gasoline than to sugar.
>>
>> That's a pretty funny load of crap there. Sure, alcohol may not
>> "officially" be a carbohydrate but it's certainly no "hydrocarbon."
>> And seeing as sugar is basically a specialized form of alcohol (with
>> as many hydroxyls as possible), the statement that alcohol is closer
>> to gasoline than sugar is simply insane.
>>
>> I make no comment either way on what sort of effect ethanol has on a
>> diabetic person. I'm sure the MD probably knows what he's talking
>> about in that regard. But the previous paragraph was hilarious.
>>
>> Scott
I think the best thing any diabetic person can do is to be vigilant about
monitoring their blood glucose levels. Several of my friends who are
diabetic have done experiments on their blood glucose levels after drinking
different types of alcoholic beverages. Over time, they have learned to
stay away from certain drinks. From them, I understand that red wine,
vodka, and single malt scotch seem to be fine. Of course, YMMV. I
personally would do whatever it took to make sure I was doing what was best
for my own health.
kev
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Date: 27 Aug 2007 12:42:22
From: Mark Sparge
Subject: Re: Diabetes and beer brewing
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On Aug 27, 10:26 am, "Robert Bainbridge" <rbainbri...@iyf-inc.com >
wrote:
> There have been some threads over the years about diabetes and beer brewing.
>
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>
> I hope that this has been helpful.
>
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Well, maybe partially.
I'm a tightly controlled diabetic (Type II with an insulin assist) and
have noticed that alchohol (rum, whiskey, tequila, etc.) straight
WITHOUT a mixer will have a slight tendancy to decrease blood my
glucose levels. Add a mixer (think rum and Coke) and the opposite is
VERY true.
The original post didn't differentiate between homebrew and
Budmillors. It's been my experience that my homebrew will raise my
blood glucose level somewhat more than does the mega-swill.
Bottom line is -- watch your glucose level. As a diabetic, you can
still enjoy a GOOD beer -- moderation is key.
Mark
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